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“Will You Shut Up Man?” - Debate Post-Mortem: Trump Dominant

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And just like that it’s over…

It was contentious, for sure; but here is a quick summary of the performance:

  • SCOTUS - Trump won by TKO
  • COVID - Biden won, but close.
  • Economy - A tie
  • Race - A tie (Trump facts on Biden’s history versus Biden repetitive claims Trump’s a racist but no gotcha)
  • Law And Order - Trump won (Biden unable to get past ‘defund’ and reform)
  • Track Records - Trump won (Biden unable to get past Green New Deal malarkey)
  • Election Integrity - A tie (but we might have given Trump the edge on Coup/recent ballots issues)

Overall, Biden did a lot better than many expected but on policies and straightforward facts, Trump won the first debate comfortably.

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer made it clear what the goal was:

“Clearly this is the most chaotic presidential debate that I have ever seen. That most of you have ever seen I suspect. … I wouldn’t be surprised by the way if this was the last presidential debate between the president of the United States and the former vice president of the United States but we will see.”

Full Debate Post-Mortem

As is usual the evening began with a few hundred protesters, unsure of exactly what they were angrily protesting outside the presidential debate to “dump Trump” and explain that “Black Lives Matter”…

Biden (or whoever was running his Twitter feed) showed some humor right before the debate…

In the 2016 debates, Mexican Peso was the markets’ proxy (falling when Trump did well and rising when Hillary outperformed). It’s not clear what the current market proxy will be - gold?

No handshake - as pre-agreed - at the start…

The first question was on SCOTUS.

President Trump clarified his position: “We won the election. Elections have consequences… We won the election and therefore we have the right to choose her.”

Biden’s response aggressively swung to healthcare and abortion as opposed to the actual process and claimed 100 million Americans would lose healthcare because of ACB.

Biden stumbled early on with his answers and the first gaffe hit - “how many of those who have died from COVID have survived?”

Trump stomped right on him, over-ruling the moderator going directly at Biden’s talking points. Biden stumbled a little but held it together: “I’m not here to call out his lies, everyone knows he’s a liar.”

Trump blasted Biden for pandering to the left and Bernie. Biden responded: “I am the Democratic party right now.”

The discussion escalated, and the SCOTUS section ended with this:

“Will you shut up, man?” Biden says, as Trump repeatedly taunts “will you pack the court? Will you pack the court?”

Then the debate moved on to COVID.

Biden began by attacking Trump for 200,000 dead and his lack of response. In a stunning moment of irony, Biden claimed Trump “should get out of your bunker, and out of the sand trap, in your golf course.”

“You would have lost far more people,” Trump says, interrupting Biden.

Then the discussion shifted to shutting down the economy: “He wants to shut down this country and I want to keep it open,” Trump says.

The next topic was the economy, and its recovery.

“We built the greatest economy in history, we closed it down because of the China plague,” Trump said, adding that “Joe wants to shut down this Country. I want to keep it OPEN!”

Biden pivoted to the $750 tax issue, but focused on the fact that “you can’t fix the economy until you fix the COVID crisis.”

Moderator Wallace then shifted to ask Trump if he paid $750 in Federal taxes.

Trump slammed Biden by asking what he had done for 47 years?

“You’re the worst president America’s ever had, c’mon.” - Biden to Trump, to which Trump replied: “I’ve done more in 47 months — than you’ve done in 47 years.”

Then the discussion jumped to Biden’s tax plan but the big moment was when Trump pivoted to Hunter Biden asking about the $3.5 million from a Moscow mayor’s wife. Biden denied it, Trump slammed… “He didn’t get three and a half million dollars, Joe?”

Biden claimed that was “totally discredited,” except it hasn’t been. Biden: “my son did nothing wrong at Burisma.”

The issue of race came up next.

Wallace: “Why should voters trust you rather than your opponent to deal with the race issues facing this country over the next four years?”

Biden began by focusing on Charlottesville: “this is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racism — to try to generate racist division.”

Trump went after Biden hard, reminding him of the busing decision, the “super predators” comments:

“He did a crime bill, 1994, where you called them super predators,” Trump says. “You have treated the Black community about as bad as anybody in this country.”

Biden stumbled through trying to say that there is systemic racism in America. Trump emphasized his law-and-order stance.

The topic shifted to Critical Race Theory, and Trump did a good job explaining his position: “They were teaching people to hate our country, and I’m not going to do that, I’m not going to allow that to happen,”

“He’s the racist,” Biden says of Trump.

Then the debate transitioned to Law & Order.

Trump says “Democratic cities” are where the problems have been occurring.

Biden: “I’m in favor of law … Law and order with justice where people are treated fairly.”

“I’m totally opposed to defunding the police budget,” Biden says - well that’s not exactly true is it…

Wallace asks Trump: Are you willing to condemn white supremacists, militia groups?

“Sure, I’m prepared to do that,” Trump says of condemning White supremacists. “Almost everything I see is from the left wing not the right wing.”

“Proud boys — stand back and stand by — but I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left.”

Biden then claimed that “Antifa is an idea, not an organization.”

“When a bat hits you over the head, that’s not an idea,” Trump says of antifa.

Speechless!

The topic of the candidates’ track records came up next.

“There has never been an administration that has done what I’ve done,” Trump says, “and that’s with the impeachment hoax.”

Biden: “Under this president we’ve become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided and more violent. When I was vice president we inherited a recession, we fixed it.”

Trump and Biden got heated as Biden attempted to bring up Beau Biden’s heroism, but Trump pivoted to Hunter and left Biden stumbling.

Climate Change then popped up (presumably on track records)

“We have to do better management of our forests,” Trump says. “Every year, I get the call, ‘California’s burning. California’s burning.’”

In a rather shocking admission, Biden said?: “No, I don’t support the Green New Deal.” Biden then says after asserting: “The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward.”

Does Biden know that Kamala Harris was a cosponsor of the Green New Deal?

And the last topic of the debate was Election Integrity…

“This is going to be a fraud like you’ve never seen,” Trump says of mail-in ballots.

Biden: “If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose that will be accepted.”

Trump also bought up the Obama/Biden coup: “There was no transition. They came after me trying to do a coup.”

It’s over. Now the pundits weighing in.

Finally, we can’t leave the post-mortem without commenting on Wallace’s performance. While Trump did try his usual bullying, Wallace repeatedly steeped on Trump’s responses to Biden

Which gave us an idea…

Time for a beer… or five!

via zerohedge

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44 COMMENTS

  1. This was a very “SAD” display of a DESPERATE, INEPT, INCOMPETENT “Wanna-be” KING. DRUMPF is the quintessential, Unredeemable “DEPLORABLE!”

    • The President clearly won, but Chris Wallace was biased against him!! He gave Biden more time!! It hasn’t changed my mind!! TRUMP 2020!!

    • Trump clearly won, though the bias of Wallace was so obvious. Telling Trump he was talking over Biden more, when it was pretty equal. Biden laughing out loud, not really being interrupted by Wallace, while Wallace even interrupted Trump on many occasions. Joe wins one major thing, his dementia did not flare up much, and the ear piece as he received instructions from his handlers worked well. For Joe, his biggest losing concept was not answering the question about packing the Supreme Court, Not bad, but wanted more by both, very much a Trump voter before and after, which I truly believe is the case for most.

    • James L., Yours is just another dumb dead Dem comment by a lefty extremist who is infamous for such statements! You “diehard” Dems would support a Dem if the candidate is satan! Oh pardon me, you don’t believe in satan or God!

  2. When democrats have no message and only kneel for anything that disparages the USA you get lame candidates who won’t sway an American voter. Biden sounded like a wind chime clanking around depending on wind direction with no real facts. He gave fact checkers plenty to stew on today though.

  4. It was a uncontrol mess, thanks to Chris Walace. He lost control 1st Question. I thank Trump did a good a job as he could with both talking over one another. if the questions & answers had been with no interference, until Chris had finished the question & each candidate had answered with no interference. The voter’s would have a better under standing of each candidate’s police’s for their president term.

  5. The debate was less than professional but I give Trump the win because every time Biden started to speak he started with a lie and then tried to expand on it. The Democrats of today and the past have lied to gain votes from Americans and then never followed through with their promises. Biden should not be allowed to run because Quid Pro Quo Joe should be in jail with his son and perhaps the rest of his family for selling his Senate seat for money to foreign countries. The American people didn’t prosper. The Biden family prospered. Biden and the Democrats are connected to more criminal activity than Al Capone. Now they’re trying to rig an election through mail in voting. They should all be put in a military brig and face charges of treason. Trump is working for the American people. The Democrats are working for their wallets and they have had the help of the liberal media who will not speak about the crimes of the Democrat party. Instead the liberal exploits the fake charges, like Russian collusion, then try to impeach a duly elected president on a false charge they created when the illegal Steele Dosier was paid for by Hillary. The deep state is real and it’s deep. Thank God Trump has a some big boots.

  6. Chris Wallace is an Liberal activist, always has been just like his daddy Mike. Journalists Not…Left Wing Nut Job would thinks he’s better than his jack-off counter-parts.

  7. Chris Wallace should be fired from FOX
    He was a disgrace and the President had to debate him as well as the liar Joe Biden.
    The President was too easy on both of them and Joe Biden is not the VP
    Mike Pence is.
    What would Joe Biden do if he was debating a foreign head of state.
    Would he have to use ear supports and would he call them names as he did MY President??
    He is a disgrace

  9. it was an awful debate because Trump had to keep jumping in to combat Biden’s lies. Wallace would not give Trump the time he needed to explain his answers after BidenBiden lied repeatetly. Biden was his usual self, all blather. Biden has done nothing but hurt the American worker for his entire 47 years in gov’t. He is no friend of the people. He & family lined their pockets from Russia & other countries while in office. go Trump!

    • I watch OAN (One America News). I don’t watch Fox any more. Since they wouldn’t let Newt talk about Soros. They shut him down. They are becoming more liberal daily. OAN shows all of President Trump’s rallies and his updates. Unlike Fox who only show some and talk all over President Trump. If you have OAN I recommend you give it a try. Dump Fox!

  11. Chris Wallace lost complete control because of his bias towards Trump. He should be fired he is a terrible journalist. Biden is a scum bag piece of shit communist. He said Trump wasn’t presidential what the hell was he. You don’t tell the Pres. of the US to shut up man, call him a liar, a racist and a clown. This shows his overall disrespect for everyone. He is not fit to shine Trumps shoes. Get lost loser. We don’t need you running this country.

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  15. Biden was given first turn more than Trump. Biden lied several times: on police defunding, on the green new deal, on his son, on many statements he made about Trump. These lies should be made public, especially since Biden had the balls to call Trump a liar. And Biden was disrespectful to the President, calling him names like “liar”, “racist”, and “clown”.

  16. I will give Chris Wallace an F for being a moderater
    However I will give him an A+ for being a leftist activist paece. Of shit ,the democraps don’t give a fuck about the American people and we don’t want senile Joe and his skank hoe running our country

  17. I truly believe that TRUMP won this debate. Sleepy Joe showed the whole country why he is not up to the job. When you are the leader of the FREE WORLD you need to have it together. Joe clearly does not have it together. He claims that TRUMP lies but he does a whole lot of lying himself. Every time he got in trouble in the debate he lied. Very clearly shown in the above mentioned statements. Just like the GREEN NEW DEAL. Wallace stunk up the place so bad it was not even funny. His performance really hit a NEW ALL TIME LOW in the debates, maybe her thought no one was watching.

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  19. I strongly feel President Trump was set up by Biden and Wallace. Biden could insult and interrupt as he damn well pleased but President Trump was called on interrupting Biden. President Trump was also told to show proof for one comment he made while Biden lied at every turn and Wallace let him get away with it. Socialists, a better word is communist. Your damn right.

  20. It just infuriates me that in an important Presidential race as this one is that we can’t get an impartial moderator! If we would have had someone that could be respected instead of a biased moderator, I believe that the debate would of been a debate! I truly think that Biden was given special treatment, and Trump had to inject his reasons about Joe lying. Go Trump!!!!!

  21. CHRIS WALLACE IS ONE OF THE LAST WHO SHOULD’VE BEEN MODERATING. HE’S PRO DEM.

    C’MON,MAN! WITHOUT THE TECHIE VOICE FEEDS & TELEPROMPTERS, BIDEN WOULD STILL BE STANDING THERE STAMMERING.

    WHAT A FARCE!

    TRUMP MADE AN ERROR IN EXPECTING TO ENGAGE MR.BIDEN WITH WORDS AND RECEIVE INTELLIGENT RESPONSES. THOSE EXPECTATIONS SHOULD JUST HAVE GIVEN WAY TO WATCHING BIDEN BLUNDER AROUND AND CALL IT GOOD. NEXT QUESTION?

    MR. BIDEN IS RARELY IN THE “HERE AND NOW”, WHICH ISN’T HIS FAULT. WITH INCREASING DEMENTIA ADVANCEMENT, THERE’S A RETREAT TO THE PAST…WHICH IS WHY HE OFTEN THINKS HE’S IN OTHER PLACES, OTHER RACES IN “AGO”.

    THE DEMS AND BIDEN FAMILY SHOULD ALL BE CHARGED, ARRESTED, FINED FOR ELDER ABUSE. EVEN UNFIT /AILING CIRCUS ANIMALS AREN’T FORCED TO PERFORM IN PUBLIC VENUES.

  24. • On Trump’s claim that he banned travel from China and Europe in response to Covid-19: “Trump didn’t ‘ban’ travel from China or Europe. He imposed travel restrictions with numerous exemptions — for US citizens, green card holders, many of their family members — and the Europe restrictions exempted entire countries.”
    • On Trump’s claim that Biden wants to abolish private health insurance: “That claim is simply not true. You may recall the Democratic primary, in which a leading candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders, proposed a Medicare-for-all plan … a single-payer plan that would indeed have eliminated most private insurance — about 100 million people with private plans. Biden rejected that approach.”
    • On Trump’s claim that he’s bringing down drug prices: “Can’t fact check the future, but there is very much no evidence Trump’s executive order will reduce drug prices 80% or 90%.”
    • On Trump’s claim that Biden supports another lockdown: “Biden has not proposed a shutdown or put forward a shutdown plan. He said in an August interview that he’d shut things down *if scientists said that was necessary in a virus crisis.* He later walked that back, saying ‘there is going to be no need’ for a ‘whole economy’ shutdown.”
    • On Trump’s claim that he brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs: “From the beginning of Trump’s presidency through August, it’s a net loss of 237,000 jobs. We have lost manufacturing jobs under Trump.”
    • On Biden’s claim that the US trade deficit with China has grown: “Biden is wrong that the trade deficit with China is now bigger than it was before. That would’ve been true in 2018, but it isn’t anymore; last year’s figure was slightly lower than the 2016 figure.”
    After the debate ended, Dale summarized his takeaway on Twitter: “Biden has gotten at least a small number of things at least a little wrong; Trump has told big lie after big lie.”

  25. TRUMP LOST the debate! He FAILED to follow the RULES and LIED out his Ass.

    He is UNFIT to serve and needs to RESIGN!

    VOTE BLUE!

    • Yeah right, President Trump loves the USA, unlike your leftist heroes who are bent on destroying this country with their ideas, the only lying is from them.
      He is not only Fit to serve, he is your Commander-In-Chief whether you like it or not.

      Trump 2020!!

  26. I watched the whole debate. I wonder how this author got the photo of Trump to post as an example of his opinion. I never saw Trump raise his fists and scream at the microphone, as this photo suggests.

    I was dismayed by everything Biden said. He is SO disconnected from reality, and Chris Wallace allowed him to continue with each unrealistic ramble except for one; but Wallace constantly interrupted the President.
    Biden’s “facts” and “evidentiary conclusions” were not based in reality. It’s obvious that Biden’s team have been rehearsing his debate ‘responses’ and monologues from a non-existent ‘head-buried-in-the-sand’ approach of keeping up with a lie until everyone believes it (Marxist).
    The demons simply ignore what they don’t agree with as though that’s all there is.

    Biden equated mass-mail-voting with absentee voting, like all the other demons.
    Biden insisted the President has control of the states, as for COVID crap answers all night.
    Biden, like ALL demons, insists the rich do not pay enough taxes, and refuses to believe high taxation causes corporations to leave the country; or that Trump’s taxes actually matter to the country. He knew his buddy Obama created the tax laws Trump and every other major businessman used, including the demons who voted those laws into being. Biden and Wallace tried to confound Trump’s taxes as though he is unique, and he avoided taxation; when he simply followed the law.
    Biden insists his son is not under investigation, and “all that’s totally discredited”. His son and his family did nothing wrong.
    Biden knows NOTHING about the economy. He’s never had a business. His only source of income has ever been from the taxpayer and rubbing shoulders in the Washington DC.
    Biden’s response on “racism” was to continue every lie the media has ever told on Trump.
    Every time Biden looked directly at the camera, he mournfully encouraged ‘the people’ to face the ‘truth’ about Trump’s lies and deceptions “You know this”, like a ‘dog-whistle’ he kept insisting Trump makes to followers — “you know you need to vote for me so your welfare won’t be interrupted.”

    If the author of this opinion piece is suggesting Trump is an ‘angry man’, I would agree. If anyone else had to put up with what Trump has had to put up with since his election, they’d be angry enough to go on a killing spree.

    Trump had to ‘debate’ Biden AND Wallace.

    Biden started and finished with a lie on everything he said.

    And there’s 2 more debates? I think I’ll pass. My vote will go to Trump anyway.

  27. Wallace should of kept his mouth shut. He was the interrupter. And they should of checked Biden. He was wired . Some one else was telling him what to say. Talk about CHEATING DEMORATS.

  28. The debate was a cluster….Wallace was as biased against Trump as was Megan Kelly the first go around. Both Trump and Biden behaved like spoiled children talking over each other. I noticed Biden putting his hand inside his coat lapel and looking down, like perhaps he was getting a feed from his handler. He did refuse to be inspected for electronic devices…wonder why? I am a President Trump supporter. Second Amendment, law and order, Supreme Court integrity, were scantly or not at all addressed. Very poor spectacle indeed. Next time act like adults and discuss the issues.

  30. No real choice to be made. Any reasonable person could see Trump is in way over his head and remains consistently lost. Vote Biden, get back to sanity get America back and respected around the world. Maybe Trump will run off to Russia with his daddy Putin.

  31. i am voting for trump but he needs to let biden speak without interuptiing his answer we got no where on this first debate so lets let the answers be ansewered and go from there

  32. I’m disappointed in Trump’s first debate; As a Trump supporter, my take was that the president had prepared little for the encounter, and was ill-served by that act of overconfidence. He has a great story to tell but did not have the sound bites prepared to tell it.

    Yes I am voting for President Trump because he fights for America, but he needs to fight smarter by being more prepared..

  33. Chris Wallace looked like the only adult onstage to the point that I see at least a half million people write Chris Wallace in as president which if it’s close could decide the election on who wins. Trump sounded like a loud mouth at the bar who you think is drunk until you find out he is sober and he’s always like that. Biden’s eyes said he was jacked up on something and still he was doing his impression of Ross Perot’s V.P. pick in the 1992 election which is not good . Both didn’t take long to pull cheap shots on each others and I don’t think either candidate will be able to handle the big war we are about to walk into whether it’s China, Russia, Iran or who ever else will be the enemy when it happens. The only good thing is the Proud Boys are out there doing something at a time Kyle Rittenhouse has been there and done that while people were trying to kill him and he goes to jail and be tried for it when he did nothing wrong..

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