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Impeachment Ringleaders Quietly Panic As Moderate Democrats Bail

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Update: According to the New York Times, Pelosi says she’s not going to push moderate Democrats to support the impeachment push, saying she has “no message to them” and that “we’re not whipping this legislation.”

“People have to come to their own decisions,” she said, adding “I don’t say anything to them.”

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House Democratic leaders are quietly panicking over rumors that ‘more than two’ Democrats will bail on impeaching President Trump, according to the Washington Post, citing ‘multiple officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly.’ The paper described House Leader Nancy Pelosi’s anguish over defections as “quiet hand-wringing.

Two senior Democratic aides said the total could be as many as a half-dozen, while a third said the number could be higher.

Predictions about some defections come as a core group of centrists from districts Trump won in 2016 are having second thoughts. While many knew impeachment would never be popular in their GOP-leaning districts, some have been surprised that support hasn’t increased despite negative testimony about Trump from a series of blockbuster hearings last month. –Washington Post

According to the report, “several moderates have privately pined for other options,” primarily censure. Others have considered “splitting the baby,” a popular procedure among Democrats, in which they would back one of the two articles of impeachment but not the other.

“I’m still thinking it over,” said one such Democrat, Rep. Susie Lee of Nevada. “This is a very grave decision. . . . I’m hearing all sides of it. . . . It’s mixed, it’s very mixed.”

“As soon as they’re formally adopted, I’ll make a decision,” said New Jersey Democrat Josh Gottheimer, another centrist Democrat who attended a Monday night meeting of moderate Democrats who expressed their misgivings about impeachment. “I’ve said all along, I need to see all the facts. I’m not going to prejudge anything until we get every bit of information.”

WaPo points out that Democratic leaders still have the votes to impeach Trump if moderates bail – as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi can lose 17 Democrats for it to pass.

With 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans and one independent — Rep. Justin Amash (Mich.) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) can afford to lose 17 Democrats and still prevail.

Amash is expected to vote to impeach Trump, while Republicans are likely to unite in opposition.

That said, the report also notes that Republicans will seek to capitalize on defecting Democrats, painting the narrative that the party is more divided than ever.

via zerohedge

45 COMMENTS

  1. Who in their right mind would vote for a Democrat seeing what their act has been over the past 11 years and what motivates them? They are almost all as Crooked as Hillary.

    • What do you mean, almost, they are all coconspirators with Hildebeast Clintstone pimping them from behind the scenes. The only good demomaggot is one that is not in office.

    • These democrats have become full-blown socialists. Socialism defined be Websters dictionary (#3. definition): “THE TRANSITION INTO COMMUNISM”.
      So in my humble opinion, the democrat party are nothing but a bunch of “SUBVERSIVES, AGAINST The United States of America”!
      Vote the SOB’s Out of office!

  2. It seems only right to me that Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler should be put out to pasture the next times they come up for re-election. America would be much better off.

    • If you look at the constituency that they represent, you’ll find them as nutty as the 3 who represent them. Pelosi has San Fransicso. Schiff has Hollywood and Beverly Hills. Nadler has Manahattan’s West Side, Hell’s Kitchen, Chelsea, SoHo, Greenwich Village, TriBeCa, the Financial District and Battery Park City. All of these places are bastions of liberalism. It isn’t likely they’ll be voted out of office. I acknowledge that you are completely correct. If they were to be put out to pasture, America would a much better off.

    • You spelled “prison” wrong.P-a-s-t-u-r-e is not the correct spelling. Just saying,I am not trying to be grammar police.LOL,have a good day.

    • I hope they don’t make it to try to be re-elected,I’m hoping that all of the crap hits the fan and let everything fall where it will and see who is locked up or dead for treason!

  3. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/12/jerry-nadler-in-surprise-move-postpones-vote-on-articles-of-impeachment/

    Seen the frustration on Rep Collins after this Nutty Nadler surprise move on Fox last night. My sympathies to the House Republicans, who have had to endure this absolutely lunatic whatever this inquiry is because I can’t see it as an impeachment inquiry.

    Stay strong House Republicans because anyone who really is paying attention will see that it’s the Dems who have been jerking We the People around and not allowing the Minority to actually accomplish anything for We the People. This charade of caring about the Constitution, Patriotism, letter of the law is disgusting at best. But applaud the Minority Republicans who have used only FACTS to try to make their case, but have been stopped by Schiff and Nadler time and time again.

    Glad to hear that the Moderate Dems are see that this charade is only going to blow back in their faces. Serves them all right. They deserve to be sent packing for allowing this to happen. Silence on their part means they accept what Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff have been doing.

    Sad time in our History. Brought to you by the Socialist Dems. But House Republicans are showing We the People, in my opinion, that there are Representatives of the People working hard to stop the Socialists from tearing up our Constitution. So all those Dems, look across the aisle, there are YOUR and OUR Patriots.

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

      • For what this Man has been thru, what he has accomplished while going thru what he’s gone thru, definitely will be a landslide. The Dems can wheel out their “impeachment” ads, commercials all they want, but We the People see how MUCH this Country has come back to life because of this President. How those who have been hampered in Congress, especially House Republicans can stand again proudly and fight for We the People, because they have proven it with this Impeachment scam.

        I thank God everyday for President Trump. I’m more encouraged by the acts of the House Republicans these past few months, to know there is actually Men and Women representing We the People. Living in the Sanctuary State of New Jersey, all I see is Tyranny.

        2020 will be another BRIGHT AMAZING moment like 2016. Hopefully we take back the House, keep the Senate and REALLY get down to work like this President has done for the past 3 years. We the People deserve it! AMERICA FIRST!!!!!

        GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

    • What really got me was when these Godless democrats, who all voted for late abortion, started “Quoting the Bible”! It was incongruous! Talk about your Hypocrites”!
      These people seem to be one big continuous lie, on an all the time basis!

    • She’s been fading fast for a long time. And it’s no longer Pelosi in charge, it’s AOC and the squad. Pelosi should have retired a long time ago, but her ego to be the “most powerful woman” led her down this path. She sold her soul for the gavel. Shame.

      Now the Dems are the Socialist party who’s Freshman are running the show right off the cliff.

      GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

      • “People have to come to their own decisions,” she said, adding “I don’t say anything to them.”

        Oh, sure! If you believe that, maybe you’d be interested in a few good bridges I have to sell . . .

        She overcame her opposition as Speaker in this new Congress, and she had quit a bit; but was somehow able to garner or pull favors to regain her speakership. You can only imagine what under-the-table deals and threats she had to pull . . . She’s no dummy. She conniving, sinister, and works her dark magic all the time. The young reps are afraid of her power, but secretly desire it. I hope this will be her last reign.

  4. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/13/blue-state-blues-our-founders-feared-the-tyranny-of-the-legislature/

    Excellent article Mr. Pollack

    “The Framers did not merely want to prevent a monarchy. They also wanted to prevent a runaway parliament.
    That is why they created a strong, executive presidency, one that would not serve at the pleasure of Congress, as a British prime minister serves at the pleasure of the House of Commons.”

    President Trump NEVER thought he was a King, but the Socialist Democrats think they are running a Parliament. When they ignore the 3rd Branch of Government, they are assuming full power over We the People. That’s taking full control and that is indeed abuse of power and tyranny.

    Well if what happen in England is a sign of a change, where Conservatism now overrules their Socialist party, hopefully in 2020 We the People will get back OUR form of Government, which is the Constitution, 3 Branches of Government, which is a Check and Balance to STOP tyranny.

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

    • Exactly right. The founders saw that a parliament would be the rue of the Republic. Parliamentary rule is rule by a majority of one. Under this guise of democracy a President would be subject to removal at any such tune as parliament had numbers to remove. It’s why our founders put in place a legislative, executive and judicial form of government. Exactly for the reasons we see going on with the dems. Pure numbers do not give the congress the right to impeach. An assertion of crimes always supported in a bi partisan manner is what impeachment is supposed to be about. This impeachment is only about hatred for this president and their inability to accept the will of the people in the last election. They are actually trying to impeach 63 million Americans for having the audacity of not voting for their chosen candidate . Corrupt Hillary. Well impeachment doesn’t work that way. You have to have clearly identifiable crimes to impeach. The dems have nothing. Obstruction of congress and abuse of power don’t even show up on the list of impeachable crimes. Why ? Because our founders knew that both obstruction and abuse of power are vague at best and therefore in most cases opinion and innuendo. Treason, bribery and high crimes and misdemeanors. The dems have fallen far short of that standard. They just wanted to appease their fringe base so they can say we impeached him. Won’t fly in the Senate. Part of me wants to see a full trial because then we could call the whistleblower and the congenital list Adam Shiff and Gerry Nadler. In fact Nancy could be called because she announced impeachment before she even knew if this non whistleblower, whistleblower. However that would also be giving legitimacy to this Russian kangaroo court impeachment. The senate should vote to throw it out on illegal and unconstitutional grounds. Why waste anymore time on this hoax. This doesn’t prevent Graham from opening up the Biden Burisma investigation and calling in Joe and Hunter to testify. At that time he could still call in Shiff and see what parts he played in Burisma. Also have impeachment hearings in Congress. Shiff, Nadler on a coup to try and take down a President. There should be a price to pay for their true crimes. They instructed congress through their biased and criminal procedure.

      • Feel the same way you do regarding the Senate hearing. As much as I do want the President to have his day, proving his innocence and having Schiff, Biden and the whistleblower stand and state what they did in all this, there is another way. Agree that Senate would just legitimize this scam by having testimony. And Biden already said he would ignore the Senate’s subpoena. We all know Schiff will, along with the whistleblower as who knows who he/she is. Throw it out, BUT Barr and Durham MUST proceed with criminal charges. As this is TRULY criminal. If not, it will definitely happen again. Also demand the FISA court be banned completely. No secret courts should be allowed. Too much temptation for those to hide behind, and way too much power to ruin innocent people who have no recourse.

        GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  5. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/12/va-democrat-national-guard-force-counties-honor-gun-control/

    Gee, how wonderful. Now the Socialist Democrats in Virginia want to set the National Guard against law abiding Americans because Socialists are in a panic to take away our 2nd Amendment so that they can have FULL tyranny.

    Well, if this occurs, Virginia will be the start of the Civil War. Our Founding Fathers made sure that our 2nd Amendment was in the Bill of Rights because this is how We the People can protect us from Tyranny.

    All I can say is bring it on. It’s too blatant now what the Socialists want and that is Full Control and ripping up our Bill of Rights. But it’s ok for illegals to have guns as they are being used by the Tyrants to control.

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

    • Would not want to see. Citizens killing other citizens but the national guard I hope would not follow those orders. They to have taken an oath to uphold the constitution and that is on their side not a renegade anti constitution governor. He needs to be ousted from office, either willingly or with a little tug. Lol.

      • Don’t want to see it too, but We the People have to stand up or we will lose everything. Hopefully the National Guard has top people who do honor the Constitution, but look at the FBI and CIA, with Comey and Brennan. Bad apples at the top will make bad things happen to innocent people.

        Hope Virginia does oust that anti-constitution governor and all those in their State House as well. Shame, but they started it. They decided that Socialism is better than our Constitution. Its up to us to show them differently.

        GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  6. https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/12/al-sharpton-trump-is-attempting-to-totally-disassemble-america/

    No he’s not. You Mr. Sharpton should be ashamed of what you have done to the African Americans in this Country. With your lies and your “race card” you have made sure to divide this Country. You have assured YOU will never be out of work, getting millions to keep the “Democratic Plantation” alive.

    So thrilled to see African American THRIVE under President Trump. Stand on their own, with jobs and money in their pockets, THEY can now take a breath and MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.

    The KKK was started to bring down African Americans and Republicans who stood up for them. Then under the guise of “civil rights” you and others have changed it to some kind of a fight on race.

    Reverend Martin Luther King stated, and what a wise man he was, that his dream was that All, no matter what color or religion will stand together one day. Judge not the man by the color of his skin but by his character. Think we are there now. Thank you President Trump!

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

    • https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/13/michelle-obama-malaysia-u-s-still-not-where-we-need-race/

      “I want to remind white folks that y’all were running from us,” she added. This family, with all the values that you read about, you were running from us. And you’re still running because we’re no different than the immigrant families that are moving in.”

      No Michael, I never ran as I went to help the African American community in Camden. Shame those like your ilk decided that it was more “comfortable” to stay with the Democrats and their pandering, with NO solutions.

      And BTW Michael, you and your husband abandoned the African Americans and supported the illegal aliens, which then left the African American out in the cold and the rest of us mad that We the People are being FORCE to pay for those WHO BREAK THE LAW.

      And to be honest, the only African Americans that prospered for the 8 years your husband was in office was you and your husband. Wow, lovely expensive new houses, lots of traveling, get to be on your own Netflex program spewing more hateful propaganda against the Country that made YOU rich. Amazing how far a ” foreign community activist” can get when he wears a mask of an American.

      GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  7. The demo-asses has shown every true American that the LAW, the CONSTSUTION and PEOPLE RIGHTS to a FAIR HEARING is totally against the Socialist demo-pigs, the demo has violate the LAW, the CONSTSIUTION and the Rights under the Constitution that every American is entitled to. That is your Socialist’s demo party.

    Everyone of them should be arrested and placed into chains today and charged with HIGH crimes of TREASON/TERRORISM under the Constitution the demo classify as WORTHLESS PEICE OF PAPER. Demo FAILED to follow the Constitution of this Nation at every turn.

    Each and every one should be standing trail for TREASON and under the Constitution they all should be either HANGED or SHOT by a Military Firing Squad for their crimes of total and complete TREASON against the United States of America. USMC

    • I agree with you 100% they also need to abolish the Democratic Party as it should have been done after the civil war and also pass legislation that if any government employees meet behind closed doors to plan to violate our constitutional rights should immediately be arrested and charged with treason and it should also include any discussions or plans of socialism or communism in our government with a penalty of a firing squad.

  8. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/13/adam-schiff-to-colbert-how-will-shameful-republicans-explain-defending-trump-to-their-grandchildren/

    “I wonder how they are going to explain one day when their grandchild comes to them and says, ‘Granddad, Grandma, please tell me what you did when that unethical man, that terrible man, that man who was putting people in cages, dividing our country, extorting our allies, please tell me what you did to stand up to that man,’” Shiff said. “What will their answer be? For all too many, it will be nothing. It will be nothing except shame.”

    We will show them when we put YOU in jail. And then we will explain to that grandchild that certain Democrats worked with you, the unethical man, to take down a duly-elected President. We will explain that the House Minority Republicans were stymied every step of the way because of unethical man like YOU.

    We will explain to that grandchild that We the People TOOK back our Country and will keep it safe for those future Americans.

    So what are you going to tell your grandchild from jail? You will go down in history as an example of what our Forefathers stated to watch, Tyranny.

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  9. How the heck did George soro;s get in on some act where he;s getting some people in the congress or whitehouse some sort of promotion he;s pushing for he;s a traitor to our country.
    I;m so glad I;m an older woman going to be with my lord soon because this world sucks.

    • It happened when GH Bush went with the NWO. This opened up for Foreign entities like the “Open Society” to step in here with their money and start changing things. With the Obama administration’s State Department, run by Hiliary, it exploded. Mr. Sor0s is not only influencing elections, but has now started influencing District Attorney elections. Just look at Philadelphia for example. Its’ all about greed. Both sides of the aisle has become very rich on this foreign money and We the People have been totally forgotten. Until President Trump, thank God, who’s focus has now be put back on America First. My heart goes out to you Mary, as your generation made this Country STRONG. I remember and feel like you do that the world sucks. But I think it’s turning and I do see a glimmer of hope that we can have that GREAT Nation back your generation sacrificed and made it a Place to be Proud of.

      GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  10. Boy – 0 – boy demoncrates have picked their noses and pulled their brains out . Little nadler has pooped his pants ! And needs a nap , and Just as bad fart man unapologetic no manners uncouth Ooo ya their from the deep end of the swamp, it’s where all the shit sinks to ! And not to be left out there’s schiff, schumer, Warren, Omar, Tleib, AOC, burned out Burnie uses kids to promote his world of socialism , even in Russia socialism was a disaster . “Burnie and company your idiots” being a vet we fought communism , for freedom . socialism is just another word for genocide. And Hillary will shut you down .

  11. Amazingly my year ago prediction Semocrats/Socialists/Facsists will be wiped out before 2020 is like light at the end of a tunnel…
    Just to sink how Demons voters must be so stupid selfkillers to support liers, crooks, criminals and treasoners in exchange of the brainwashing propaganda?! They pay for being scamed, crying for becoming slaves and most of all hate their savior more then loving own kids and grand kids…? Is any different between them and sick with TDS selfkillers? Of cause it is like Golda Mayer said: ‘Till Palestinians learned how to love own kids there will be no peace’. The one think she couldn’t to predict when God will send Messiah to finally freeing the world once and for all😇😜

    Viva Nanci Pelosy for our prayer to survive till she hang to GOP final nail for setting to a Demons coffin👹🐉👿☠😭😜

  12. Love it!

    Amazingly my year ago prediction Semocrats/Socialists/Facsists will be wiped out before 2020 becoming light at the end of a tunnel…

    Just to think how Demons voters must be so stupid selfkillers to support liers, crooks, criminals and treasoners in exchange of the brainwashing propaganda?! They pay for being scamed, crying for becoming slaves and most of all hate their savior more then loving own kids and grand kids…?! Is any different between Palestinians and sick with TDS selfkillers? Of cause it not! As Golda Mayer said: ‘Till Palestinians learned how to love own kids there will be no peace’. The one think she couldn’t to predict when God will send Messiah to finally freeing the world once and for all😇😜

    Viva Nanci Pelosy for our prayer to survive till she hang to GOP final nail for setting to a Demons coffin👹🐉👿☠😭😜

  13. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/13/democrat-rep-cedric-richmond-busted-watching-golf-during-impeachment-hearing/

    I don’t want anyone saying anything about President Trump and his golfing. Here’s what a Dem is doing while the Nation waits for this Impeachment scam to be over.

    “During the hearing, Richmond challenged Republicans for “running and hiding” from the impeachment process and standing with President Trump.

    “How do you want to be remembered during this watershed moment in our nation’s history?” he asked.”

    You will be remember as one of the Dems who decided to watch golf while you and your Democratic tyrannical ilk try to shred the Constitution.

    House Republicans didn’t run, didn’t hide, and yes stood up for an INNOCENT man, while this one decided golf was more important. Wow.

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  14. https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/12/13/watch-14-year-old-boy-brutally-attacked-on-florida-school-bus/

    Wow, learning how to hate 101 in elementary school. Way to go Maxine Waters, spewing your hate and telling anyone it’s ok to attack Trump supporters. Not only is Free Speech being stopped in colleges, now in elementary schools as well.

    “He wore a MAGA hat to school two weeks prior and the bullying started,” said Walker to Breitbart News. “It escalated until the day of the incident. On that day, students poured white milk on his head and called him cracker. The attackers were two girls and three boys — it is my understanding that he was stomped by the last male you see in the video.”

    So young man, you are FORBIDDEN to have FREE SPEECH. So for that you get bullied for two weeks and then attacked. And Maxine Waters will come back and say this is not a hate crime right?

    To this young man, so sorry that you had to go thru this, but unfortunately this is the sign of the times, especially when Political figures who have been in Congress for 20 PLUS years has spewed hat since 2016 for the duly-elected President.

    Shame.

    So where is Mr. Jefferies, who says President Trump is mean to a 16 year old who basically is a pawn for the “climate change” crazies? This OK Mr. Jefferies?

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  15. Let’s get to the trial and make ALL “players testify, including the “whistle blower”, Biteme, his boy, Schiff, and air it on Cspan for all to see and watch who shows up with warts on their noses.

  16. Any time Rats open mouth you must be ingenious to figure out what kind of wappen they hold behind voters .back… If Pelosi don’t whant to influence brain washed monkey desision does she mean she praying for them same as for Trump…?😉😜

  17. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/13/whatever-they-want-donald-trump-leaves-impeachment-trial-details-senate/

    Thank you President Trump. The truth has always been on your side. House Minority Republicans proved it, along with Rep. Nunes’ memo forcing the IG report on FISA abuse. Let it go, make the Republicans work real hard to get the House back, which they lost in 2018, thanks to Rinos, keep the Senate and already know you will be in the White House after 2020.

    But, definitely push Barr and Durham to do their jobs once Durham’s report is out. You have shown strength and character throughout this nasty business, fueled by Pelosi. Demand that changes must be made and people need to pay for what they have done, not only to you as Our President but We the People. You do it so well, lol. Tweet away!!!!

    Continue your GREAT work, as We the People see America coming back to life. What you have exposed has been needed for a long time, but needed someone with your moral character to do so. What you have accomplished under all this BS, is amazing.

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! GOD BLESS THE USA!

  18. “Despite claiming moderation and independence on the campaign trail to get elected, it turns out that the House Democrats who beat Republicans in 2018 blindly and overwhelmingly support Speaker Pelosi and her progressive agenda and even the more radical agenda being pushed by her socialist colleagues like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.”

    Club for Growth Begins Anti-Impeachment Ads in Swing Democrat …
    [Search domain http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/23/club-for-growth-launches-impeachment-ads-in-swing-democrat-districts/%5D https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/23/club-for-growth-launches-impeachment-ads-in-swing-democrat-districts/
    Oct 23, 2019

    It isn’t just the 31 democrats in swing districts that should be worried. Every democrat should.
    After seeing the corruption and lies perpetrated by the democrats, liberal media, deep state and other liberal radicals many democrats are changing their party, and if not, will still not support the remaining democrats who refuse to support the American people and choose to support an anti-American ideology (Socialist/Communist). The depth the democrats have sunk to in the last few years with “the Squad” leading them, even Nancy Pelosi is worried, as she should be. Anyone who would select governance by socialist and communist over freedom is either uneducated/uninformed, or just plain stupid. In Nancy’s case its always been about power and money (i.e., greed), and her ability to sell the phony democrats dogma That isn’t her real crime though. Her real crime is selling out her nation and the people who have made it great.

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